Wednesday, January 02, 2008

beware of angering "San Servolo"-medicine!

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This is the original poster for the halfsecret AoC meeting with the media to prepare them for their goals. ("THE ROLE OF COMMUNICATION IN THE ALLIANCE AMONG CIVILISATIONS -Venice, ITALY, November 29, 2007") I had written about also in November (Link).
After I re-read some of the things Herb wrote about the beast from the earth, for example - that it - even if created with the help of America - possibly will turn against the US, I decided to show more of the materials I collected - The AoC starts to show it true face behind the nice dialogue and peace phrases towards America:

Organizer IPS did some interviews which were mostly published in Italian. Maybe they did not intend to have this in English. Google translator helps here. The first interview I want to show is with
Abdelwahab Derbal, head of mission in Brussels of the League of Arab States. There are hardly any pictures to get of on the internet. You can watch some tiny ones here: Link.
In the interview Derbal explains his anger towards the US.

"VENICE, 11 December 2007 (IPS) -...
Derbal has spoken with Sanjay Suri of IPS of his anger for the position of the United States in the Middle East, and the need for dialogue.

IPS: What did Annapolis for the Arab cause?

Abdelwahab Derbal: As Amr Moussa, Secretary General (of the Arab League) said, we have many reservations with regard to these processes, because we had high hopes before, which are now missing. And the Arabs have so far not received anything positive on the Palestinian question.
IPS: The demands of the Arabs are different than the Palestinians?
AD: I think that the demands of the Arabs have always been collective-Syrians, Lebanese and Palestinians. I think nobody wants to see solve its problems separately. The Golan Heights have been occupied because of the Palestinians. And the same with the south of Lebanon. And the UN resolutions speak of all the occupied Arab territories. I do not believe that dealing with each party in isolation would be the right way.(...)
IPS: But some Arab states recognize Israel, others do not.
AD: They acknowledged that Israel did so because of some problems they had with Israel and which have been resolved.
IPS: If you look at the rise of Hamas in Palestine, the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt, we are witnessing the rise in political Islamism?
AD: Islam does not distinguish between the report of a human being with his lord (God), that between a human being with his company, with his staff and with his family. And then there are two Islam but there is only one Islam, which organizes your life in your relationship with God, as well as with your company, your country, your people, with everyone. So the difference between religion and life is unknown in Islam. And it is for this reason that the background of society Arab Muslim society, it is always the religion. From this point of view, the political movements in our world believe that many problems are solved in Islamic thought. And so there are these movements. I think there should be a dialogue on this issue, but a dialogue that is scientific, objective and wise.
IPS: There seems to be a lot of anger throughout the Muslim world.
AD: Even I am very angry about this issue. As Arabic, and as a Muslim. But this anger does not exist only in the Muslim world and the Arabic world. There is also in other parts of the world. In those we used to call the third world countries, or most of them. Why are experiencing a lot of injustice in international relations. We know that the refrain on democracy that we repeated day and night. What you need to be modern democratic, and to be you must be democratic multiparty democracy. But when it comes to international relations, does not work the same logic. Why do not want to understand that we do not belong to one civilization.
Secondly, when we ask that our countries to obey what we call international resolutions of the UN-and myself that I would implement all these resolutions, but for all peoples and all nations and all countries.When it comes to Israel, it does not work the same way. And if one is abused in our countries, as we heard in the case teacher in Sudan, we know from the BBC. But every day were massacred and killed more than 15 Palestinians, and this is considered regular. These things, that the peoples of our region, our society, living every day, do not leave any room for the good feelings towards the United States.
IPS: How will this anger managed by the people?
AD: We say to our friends, the Europeans, and the civilized nations, per definition, that dialogue is the only way to understand each other. I think we need dialogue in our society, between the society and the authorities. It has been elected, as the control, and one can send them away if you want.We must establish a dialogue between our society and find a way to the true democracy that arises from our culture, our civilization. (FINE/2007)

LINK to translated version

No wonder the invitations from the Alliance of Civilisations to the First Forum in Madrid at Januar 15/16 to USA, ISRAEL (and also Saudi Arabia) stayed unanswered until now.

Related to this topic of AoC and Anti-American propaganda you should read this one from Soeren Kern:

http://www.americanthinker.com/2007/12/antiamericanism_its_about_amer.html

Here is a part of it:
"Case in point is a new report on "smart power" recently released by the Washington-based Center for Strategic and International Studies (CSIS). The document proffers policy advice based on the fiction that the blame for anti-Americanism lies entirely with the United States. It calls on the next president to fix the problem of anti-Americanism by pursuing a neo-liberal norm-based internationalist foreign policy; it argues, predictably, that America can restore its standing in the world by working through the United Nations and by signing the Kyoto Protocol and the International Criminal Court.

But the report says not a word about the gratuitous anti-American bigotry of Europe's "sophisticated" elites. Nor does it acknowledge that most European purveyors of anti-Americanism are far more opposed to what America is than to what America does. It is not primarily US foreign policy they seek to change: What Europeans (and many of their American converts) want is a wholesale re-creation of America in the post-modern European pacifist image.

To earn the approbation of Europe's sanctimonious elites, the next American president would (for starters) have to relinquish all use of military force, surrender US sovereignty to the United Nations, adopt a socialist economic model, abolish the death penalty, accept an Iranian nuclear bomb, abandon US support for Israel, appease the Islamic world in a high-minded "Alliance of Civilizations"... and so on.
(...)They believe the United States is the problem and that their vision for a post-modern socialist multicultural utopia is the answer. Never mind that most Europeans do not have enough faith in their own model to want to pass it on to the next generation.
This is the dilemma America faces: If it wants to be popular abroad, it will have to pay in terms of reduced security. And if it determines to protect the American way of life from global threats, then it will have to pay in terms of reduced popularity abroad. But if America loses out against the existential threats posed by global terrorism and fundamentalist Islam, then the issue of America's international image will be moot. Better, therefore, if the next president focuses on keeping America strong and secure, rather than on pleasing those who will never like the United States, even if its foreign policy changes. Better, also, for the next president to focus on wielding American power wisely, because doing so will earn the United States (grudging) respect, which in the game of unstable relationships that characterizes modern statecraft, is far more important than love."

The second IPS interview I want to present was done with Yahaya Sergio Yahe Pallavicini,vice president of the Islamic Religious Community Italiana (Co.Re.Is.) is an Italian citizen born Muslim from Japanese mother and Italian father. He is a member of the Board of Directors of the Islamic Cultural Center of Italy and Imam of the Mosque al-Wahid Milan. Pallavicini is also chairman of "ISESCO" (Islamic Organization for Education, Science and Culture in the West) - the first Islamic NGO recognized by the European Union - where is also ambassador for relations with the Vatican. With this mandate, took an active part in a number of dialogues and interdenominational peace initiatives on behalf of Italian. Here some excerpts from the interview:

IPS: What can religious leaders to keep their communities far away from the dangers of fundamentalism and to promote dialogue? Can you give an example?

YSYP: The network of 138 religious leaders Muslims who recently sent a letter on inter-religious dialogue to all religious authorities of Christian Catholic, Orthodox and Protestant. What we are trying to do is to build a working dialogue and respect within the Muslim community and outside.
It is precisely this responsibility that religious leaders should renew these days - both in the East and the West, promoting the culture of respect and updating the message of teachers and prophets, in order to illuminate the hearts, minds and actions of people. Only by renewing intercultural dialogue we can reach a new social cohesion and dumps prejudices and lack of trust, and effectively isolate the totalitarianism political, economic individualism and violent fundamentalism.

IPS: While signs of a clash of civilizations are very obvious, it is difficult to perceive signals alliance. But it is What is being done specifically to achieve?

YSYP: (...)Let me cite three recent examples of concrete initiatives aimed to a Alliance of civilizations. The first is international, intercultural and interreligious: we signed, translated and circulated a document about this important dialogue, written by 138 high Muslims, as a point of departure for a new round of intercambio.

The second initiative is a national, intercultural and interreligious. As Muslims Italians we are committed to promoting and strengthening the dialogue between religious minorities, particularly Jews-through exchanges of hospitality in synagogues and mosques. We are organizing public meetings between rabbis and imams in major Italian cities, and supporting regional institutions in the implementation of measures to promote integration and prevent anti-Semitism and Islamophobia.

Finally, we are committed to fostering dialogue between our own communities to combat… psychological barriers and work toward a more mature relationship between old and new generations, and for a better understanding of and the rules of Western postmodern world . You can also build an alliance with solid internal strengthening ties. (...)

IPS: The Report of the high-level expert for an Alliance of Civilizations speaks of good governance, law and democracy as fundamental conditions to reduce the gap between the companies. But in many countries - often-Muslim countries citizens have no experience of democracy, and can not defend their rights. Is there some form of dialogue with totalitarian regimes, in particular with regard to cases of discrimination against minorities and violation of fundamental human rights?
YSYP: There is a dialogue, but there is also the risk that it is superficial and formal-thus becoming a conventional exchange of monologues. A good policy, respect for the law, an effective democratic process and respect for human rights are possible only with political institutions and manage and maintain their power so ethical - when national interests do not coincide with the greed of the few, but with a long-term vision and conscientious real condition of humanity. ...The problem that we should resolve and focus is to improve the quality of dialogue-helping the application and impact of the dialogue-so that the exhaust does not theoretical or abstract good intentions and narcissm. In my meetings with the King of Morocco Hassan II, the Patriarch Bartholomew I of Constantinople, the Sephardic chief rabbi of Israel Bakshi Doron, I learned the sacred science of dialogue as communion among peoples."

Link to translated site

Sacred science of dialogue? And I was wondering why they choose the number 138 of Islamic letter writers (see also my article "AoC-CoA Changing our Attitudes").

The Bible mentiones the number 138 just once: in Nehemiah 7:45

138 gatekeepers.

What is the task of the gatekeeper? Definitly not the dialogue.

In Germany we have a most famous Advent/Christmas song named "Macht hoch die Tür", which is refering to Psalm 24 ("Lift up the gate") and this Psalm is cleary refering to the gatekeepers as the Lord's (the God of Jacob). And this is not about dialogue, it's about a battle.

"1 The earth is the LORD's, and everything in it,
the world, and all who live in it;
2 for he founded it upon the seas
and established it upon the waters.
3 Who may ascend the hill of the LORD?
Who may stand in his holy place?
4 He who has clean hands and a pure heart,
who does not lift up his soul to an idol
or swear by what is false.

5 He will receive blessing from the LORD and vindication from God his Savior.

6 Such is the generation of those who seek him,

who seek your face, O God of Jacob. [b]
Selah

7 Lift up your heads, O you gates;
be lifted up, you ancient doors,
that the King of glory may come in.

8 Who is this King of glory?
The LORD strong and mighty,
the LORD mighty in battle.

9 Lift up your heads, O you gates;
lift them up, you ancient doors,
that the King of glory may come in.

10 Who is he, this King of glory?
The LORD Almighty—
he is the King of glory.
Selah"

We seek your face, oh God of Jacob - but How can we find It?
We should use eyesalve! but - don't be crazy: not the one offered by AoC:

San Servolo - the exact place were the AoC-media meeting took place in November, was - in former times a place which produced eyesalve!

"A vast complex of buildings featuring the island of San Servolo, which for a millennium was established monastic and subsequently hosted the ill-minded until 1978, when the reform of psychiatry led to closing the hospital. For more than a thousand years, the island has received several monastic orders. From at least the eighth century and for almost five hundred years, Benedictine monks lived on this island. They were joined later by nuns... At the beginning of the fifteenth century the nuns departed, but they were soon replaced by a few dozen other nuns, who were fleeing the Turkish invasion of Crete.However, by the beginning of the eighteenth century, only a few were left, and soon thereafter the Senate of the Republic of Venice designated San Servolo as the site of a new military hospital, needed due to the continuing war against the Turks. Later the hospital was used to care for the mentally ill. As a consequence, the question "Ma ti xe de S. Servolo?"— "Are you from San Servolo?"— was commonly used to ask whether someone was crazy. In 1978, government-instituted reforms of psychiatric treatment resulted in the closure of the hospital. The next year, the Venice government established on the island the "Istituto per le Ricerche e gli Studi sull´Emarginazione Sociale e Culturale" (Institute for the Study of Social and Cultural Marginalization) to preserve the documents associated with the history of the psychiatric hostpital. Venice International University, a center for research and education and a collaboration among ten universities from around the world, was formed on San Servolo in 1995.

Also noteworthy is the rich flora of San Servolo originally planted for the island's pharmacy which was used to supply medicine to the military..."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Servolo

"It is the only island in the lagoon that has been restored from a local authority, the Province of Venice. The transformation of San Servolo of Venice in an area of training and dialogue among cultures and experiences, memory and history is a different from others who live in the lagoon and are linked to business and tourist monoculture of the city."

http://64.233.179.104/translate_c?hl=de&langpair=it%7Cen&u=http://www.sanservolo.provincia.venezia.it/

Take the Lord's advice to better take this medicine:

"14And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God; 15I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot.16So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth. 17Because thou sayest, I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing; and knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked: 18I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and that the shame of thy nakedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see. 19As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent. 20Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me.21To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne. 22He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches."

Revelation 3.


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San Servolo/ Venice

stay tuned!
farmer

6 comments:

Rudi said...

Wow bjorn- Very interesting to read your current posting. I really though your drawing of scripture into the equation with the reference to the 138 gatekeepers in Nehemiah 7:45 showed
amazing insight which had to have come from our Lord. Thank you! Rudi

Anonymous said...

Interesting that Arab leaders seem able to present a face of unity to the world in an AoC context but, historically, have been at odds with each other.

Masks may conceal reality, but are powerless to change it.

2cents.

nony

Wickus said...

Hi my friend,

As always, a great post. Your insight from within the EU is a blessing to us all. Keep it up and a blessed 2008.

Wickus

setterman said...

The praise of the others goes for me too. In the past I've said something to the effect that America once was a leader by example, but now we struggle with the issue of consensus. It was the foundation of scripture, though often misunderstood, and more often not practiced, that made the US, and for that matter most of Europe a dim light on a hill in a DARK world.
The UN and all types of global systems can only dim our light the more. Sadly, we Christians have become so wrapped up in our 401ks, our egos, and politics that we forgot John’s admonition to “Keep ourselves from idols.” And Christ’s command: “to love one another.”
Yours in Christ:
Setterman

Anonymous said...

Hmmm...the "gatekeeper" reminds me of what I read recently online.

Opening the Gates in 2008!

We have entered into one of the most important, changing, transitional times we have known in Church history. If ever there was a season to receive and understand what God is saying to the Body of Christ, that season is NOW! . . .

Global Harvest Ministries feels a mandate from the Lord to draw together the Body of Christ to "open the gates" of new beginnings in 2008. We will be sponsoring six Open the Gates Conferences to discuss the times and seasons we are living in and equip the Body of Christ for victory in days ahead. These are very strategic gatherings that you will not want to miss!

Isaiah 28:6 says the Lord will give "strength to those who turn back the battle at the gate." Since the "gates" of each region vary, each of these gatherings will have a slightly different focus with different speakers and subjects addressed.

Our first "Open the Gates" Conference will be in Atlanta, Georgia. "Opening the Gates in 2008 - The Southeast Gate: Reformation, Transformation and a Glory Invasion" will be held on February 28 - March 1. Those of you in the Southeast Region will want to come together as we understand the power of opening the gate of Heaven and establishing the Glory of God. Atlanta is a city for reformation.
- Global Harvest Ministries newsletter, 12/19/07.

Anonymous said...

Not being Christian, I can't speak to the religious part of his essay. There was a line that did speak to me:
YSYP: There is a dialogue, but there is also the risk that it is superficial and formal-thus becoming a conventional exchange of monologues.

What I see in all of this is people speaking past each other. I don't think that there can ever be a created utopian civilization. Utopias don't work. All of the groups seem to want to put a dictator in place who follows their own belief system. Nothing less.

Nobody is willing to answer questions such as:
What are you willing to give up?
What must you have?
What will you do to get your own way?
Should all wealth be equalized?
What happens to those who don't give in?

After reading everything I still don't know what the Muslims, Palestinians, Germans, Brits, Kurds, Egyptians, Lebanese, Pakistanis, etc. really feel they must have.

Dorothy